Monday, December 1, 2008

The Ides of Texas

It was November 8, a Saturday night in Austin, Texas. About a quarter past seven, KLBJ host Patrick Timpone was interviewing Congressman Ron Paul, when Rep. Paul dropped a little bomb. Responding to a question from Mr. Timpone as to whether he could be persuaded to run for Governor of Texas in 2010, Rep. Paul answered that he did not consider himself the right person to run for that office. He then added in jest, "I might come up and say we should secede from the Union, and then they'd run me out of town." (located at 19:38 in this file).


Mr. Timpone rather liked that idea, and pursued it with some questions which almost sounded as though he were prodding Rep. Paul to consider secession more seriously. A few days later, Yahoo Answers posted a question as to whether Texas could make it as an independent nation. The answers from Texas were enthusiastic for secession, and quite convinced that it could be done. The movement gained legs on the Ron Paul forums as well, with one writer noting that Larry Kilgore had garnered some 27% of the vote in the Republican primary for U.S. Senator (225,783 votes) on an explicitly secessionist platform!


Then on November 25, the discussion went national on the Glenn Beck program. Unfortunately, Mr. Beck decided to have more fun with it than anything else. His division of the U.S. into six nations was funny, but totally out of touch with North American geography and existing secessionist movements (Mr. Beck and his map are at left).

The most important development was the buzz in the blogosphere, where both supporters and opponents of the idea began to take it seriously. Don't take my word for it, just Google "texas secession" to get an idea of what I mean. This is a major step forward for North American secessionism.

This is not to say that most Americans are ready to have secession on their radar screen; only that the idea is less laughable than it was even three months ago.

However, despite the groundswell of Republican support for Mr. Kilgore, Texas secessionism has some serious problems. First, except for Mr. Kilgore's campaign (he is now running for Governor in 2010), there is no really organized movement for Texas secession. A number of organizations have been created since the mid 1990s, but tended to get caught up in the so-called "patriot" movement aligned with the militias that became well known at that time. Those organizations splintered into several small, competing groups. Today, Texas secessionism remains badly fragmented.

In addition to the Texas groups, the League of the South has a Texas chapter, whose goals appear to be closely aligned with that of the general organization.


Texas is a big state, with a distinct culture and a past history as an independent nation (1836-1845). It is obviously viable as an independent nation. The challenge for Texas secessionism is to root out the crackpots and to get everyone else on the same page. Ron Paul might have the political acumen and credibility to pull it off as Governor, and perhaps Larry Kilgore could, too. One thing is sure, it will take very strong, determined leadership to build a movement that will generate any hope of success.

4 comments:

Anonymous said...

Great post Mr. Thomas. I hope you can encourage folks from Ohio to run for office on a secession platform. Please ask your readers to file the forms and get thier name on the ballot for 2010. http://www.sos.state.oh.us/SOS/candidates.aspx
If they need help filing the forms we will be glad to help. Just call 817-453-5744

Barga said...

absolutely hillarious... That said, they can not leave the union, and will be smashed

Harold Thomas said...

Barga:
You say the secessionists "will be crushed." On what basis? Because President Lincoln won his war? So does might make right, even if the Constitution, which embodies the whole reason this nation was created, is trampled in the dust?

Do you think you would see things differently if Ohio had been occupied by a foreign army after a war the United States decisively lost? The former Confederacy had exactly that experience. It was called "Reconstruction."

Barga said...

Ignoring Lincoln, who I really do not like...

You say the secessionists "will be crushed." On what basis?
--Well, i can not concieve of the federal government, either because they want to keep Texas on their own, or because of the order from the masses, not keeping Texas. The state can not stand on its own, with no military, and no trading partners. Plus, I do not that its people want to leave




So does might make right, even if the Constitution, which embodies the whole reason this nation was created, is trampled in the dust?
--The constitution allows what linoln did, even though i disagree with him. There is a nice clause in it, which allows the suspension of habius corpus if rebellion, invasion, the public safty requires it.

Do you think you would see things differently if Ohio had been occupied by a foreign army after a war the United States decisively lost? The former Confederacy had exactly that experience. It was called "Reconstruction."
--No, but that said, reconstruction is nothing like you think it is. I could send you some of my papers on reconstruction if you would like, or i can merely give you some books to read